Poor health and low-levels of educational qualifications are offered as secondary parts of the equation. Scottish Skier February 15, 2020 at 7:51 PM. Nestled among the quaint streets J. N. REILLY There is a war on. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Members of our family have now moved away to other locations in Glasgow and Paisley, but we still remember our childhoods growing up in Govan. My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. Also remember when we started school in 1943, we had to carry our gas masks with us. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. [16] In 1912, Glasgow annexed Govan after a series of annexation battles. I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. Smith did know Glasgow well, but Edinburgh (where he later worked as Secretary to the University) was gloriously exotic. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. Good memories. Govan young team. Glorious Govan. Otherwise, unless there is agreement between authority and community, issues like social segregation will never go away unless something is done is because the housing system (and the way it operates) encourages the separation of the rich and the poor. MATT McGINN (1928-1977) A for a Pub Hoose Licence. I was born and raised at 976 Govan road and remember concerts we used to have round the back for the neighbours and we would make costumes out of crepe paper and sing songs like" oh you beautiful doll you great big beautiful doll". Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. HAPPY TIMES. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. 109m Bells Bar . Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. Thanks in advance :). When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. Very fond memories. The Murrays were a large family maybe someone remembers them? Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. It was my first Saturday job and I worked there for about a year until the very day when it closed, which I think was in June 1972. Regular bus services, mainly operated by McGill's Bus Services and First Glasgow, offer frequent routes to Glasgow City Centre, as well as to numerous locations in Renfrewshire. Dry Docks Cafe. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. I found this site by mistake while i was trying to find people that i used to hang around with in Govan, I lived in Rathlin Street, opposite the Elder picture house, my mum and dad were Mary and Eddie Mellon and brothers Paul and Ward. Doublers; Rounders; Kick the Can; Ropes I could go on and on particularly with the little verses we once recited lodged in my brain still! Community Centre & Play-Park in the Wine Alley, Govan. Great memories. He was lim, dark-haired and kind, probably in his 30s. Next thing I know, this policeman appeared, he looked like a giant and he asked me what was I doing. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 Although Govan was the stated setting for the show, episodes were seldom filmed there. One day in the Summer, off we went to the Steamie, everybody went in, my Cousin and I stayed outside. I was shown the door and advised to join the cubs, which I did, but I would have enjoyed being the 1st Lifebhoy. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. Every month her and neighbours would make tablet, cakes, scones and stuff. Our young sister was married in St. Anthony's years later. In 1901 Govan was the 7th largest town in Scotland. My brother and I would wait for the coal lorry to come round the corner and hang onto the back of it as it drove up the street. He had a broken leg, but we cuddled and comforted him until someone with a car was found, hours later, to get him to the vets. The following year, Fairfields and the other major Clydeside yards (Stephens, Connels, Yarrows and John Browns) were merged to form Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS). Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. We all went to Harmony Row school because that was where our mother went and she wanted us to have the same teachers she had, and there were a few left from when she attended there. I remember a chemist called Brays on Govan Rd. Skater Girl. Does anyone remember going out the back courts and jumping over them? Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. : Gwovan[3]? I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. Within 10 years, Glasgow Corporations repair and maintenance service to the area had declined noticeably because the Corporation was simply not interested. Nu acum. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. Related Pages. Now her daughter (my mother) is 92 years old and I am fascinated by the stories which her mother passed down to her and now to me. Very happy days. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. Clyde News. Small things eh? Wine Alley was in a part of Govan which is "pretty much gone now but it was notorious," he described. My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). Renton, WA 98058. Replies. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. 124m D.C Hair&Beauty . Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. Born 1945, 28 Craigton Road two up in the hole in the wall, I went to Greenfield Primary remember headmaster name a Mr Hutchinson, a Miss Burnside, miss Blackstock. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. Zabudli ste daje na prstup k tu? It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. policy initiatives given due regard. Somewhere, communication had broken down so completely, that while the latter felt powerless to do anything about the situation, the remedies of the former only made the situation worse. I would so love to hear from you if you do. We left Govan when I was two, then lived for five years in Markinch before moving on to Kelty, Cowdenbeath, Armadale, and Rushden down in England. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. It was the policy that those with low incomes, few housing points or nowhere else to go, could only expect the least attractive housing. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. I remember on Sunday mornings being taken with my sister, Elizabeth, on a No. There was another pub next door, The Bellrock. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. Any way they started to ask us our schools and of course my mates answered Broomloan Rd, Bellahouston and Lorne St, but when it came my turn my truthful answer was Our Lady and St Margaret's Primary just up the road from here. Our father would be home right before we had to leave for school, so he would take us as it was not safe to cross Langlands Rd., Unfortunately, the week before Christmas in 1943, our grandfather was killed by a bus right at the Vogue cinema. The Catholic Church that was located in Stanley Street was I believe the largest Catholic Church in Glasgow and at one time had 5 resident Priests. I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. Wine Alley feels very European and I love it! I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever. contact the editor here. In fact, the idea was publicly abused in the first of the two SEU documents above. Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. Would love to hear from you. I noticed a post by Murray G. Wondering if we might be related at all? These incomers earned the contempt and resentment of some disgruntled local inhabitants, who focused on problems of anti-social behaviour in the estate, which acquired the nickname "Wine Alley". Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. I lived at 2 Luath Street in Govan with my Mum and Dad - Cathie and Ronnie Johnston. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. Government organisation. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. Alley & Vine. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. we were easy pleased in those days. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. We are the Eskimoes. Media/news company. Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. [3][4], A majority of the new residents were from the Gorbals, instead of the Govan area, which had pressing issues with overcrowding and poor quality tenements. JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. Vytvori nov et. We stayed next door to the Mellon's in 31 Rathlin Street for a short time, I was friendly with your brother Paul. Great times. February 15, 2020 at 4:10 PM @ Anonymous LMFAO ! Three times during my young life I was sent away to residential schools for being undernourished while just before my 14th birthday I was put away in an approved school (in 1963) for a large number of burglaries. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. :bbpd: If his western city is invariably "smoky" and even hellish in aspect, throughout his poem "Edinburgh" the Scottish capital is glimpsed "high in . Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. Site Number NS56NE 4994. In fact, within only two years of the first tenants moving into their 7-storey deck-access blocks (in 1972); they had begun to complain about severe dampness, condensation, and water penetration. Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. Further, that by becoming involved in social, political, and economic activities, the community of any area can organise itself in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power is real. Based on this, Govan's Cumbric language name has been reconstructed as *(G)uovan. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. I was born in 23 McGregor Street Teucharhill in 1962 and remember my mum waiting until the last minute and getting a lift to the polling station, promising to vote for whichever party candidate provided the transport (aye right) still though when the 70s arrived I would have voted for the blonde wummin shouting through a megaphone at the end of the street even though I'd no idea what she was on about or what party she represented, she was a bit of a belter called Margo MacDonald. Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. One of his best customers was a former police officer who had been thrown out the force due to his heroin addiction. Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. No1seems2care. 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 I remember our next door neigbours on the ground floor the Meechans and particularly John,who was around the same age as myself. The owner later came in with home-made tablet for all of us. Every Christmas I was given a big pile of unsold comics and one day the woman gave me a bob - 12 big penny coins that filled my hand. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. I have been looking up my family history and her father Michael and all his brothers and sisters were born in Govan between 1884 and 1896. He also allowed naval officers in training to visit the shipyard to familiarise themselves with the new vessels. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. I was born at 17 Holmfaulhead Drive, Linthouse in 1947 and went to Elderpark School. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. Again, where were the democratic, caring authorities when the 1987-1990 Glasgow Housing Condition Survey found that in a third of the citys houses suffered from condensation, dampness and mould and did little about it? Comedian. Creeaz un cont nou. And increase their/your revenues. I went to Govan High school and Fairfield Primary school, I worked at MacDonalds biscuit factory then went to Toronto with my husband Dan Slavin, I miss my wee town, it will not be same anymore. Again, as in the cast of the Gorbals, little was done to remedy the situation until the individual agencies within the local communities combined their power to get something done. We sold puppies, kittens, mice, fish and I promise you, they were cleaned and cared for with the tenderest of love and care, and caution was exerted when people tried to buy them. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. As for our childhood and growing up in Govan we would never change a thing, there was everything in Govan any child wanted and we never ever suffered from boredom after school, we were outside playing peever, rounders, climbing dykes, swimming at the pool and rolling our Easter eggs down the hill at Bellahouston Park. Other Sundays maybe Helen and I would visit the graves of our mothers at Cardonald Cemetery (her mother died when she was 5). 100m D.C Hair&Beauty . Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. Then the place just went to pot. Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). When in trouble the Govanites all come together. Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. Community organisation. I went about with Harry Bitters, Nick Shearer and John McLeod in the mad days of the early 70s. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. Teraz nie. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. Govan (#646) This is a guide to the history and major genealogical records of Scotland as they pertain to the parishes of Lanarkshire. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! Maureen Doyle was my name then. Loved going into Amy's Cafe after coming out of Mackays for my Easter outfits. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. It closed permanently to regular passenger services on 9 May 1921. I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). Wine Quality 4/4. Anyone know the Maguire family from Logie Street and 147 Langlands Road? Used to jump the dykes with my brother Kenneth. 122m The Govan Shed . That suggested that the suspect was taking the van south to Manchester or Liverpool to pick up much larger drug consignments. In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. The manager was a man called Jackie. No1seems2care. Many memories but top must be winning Whitefield Cup with Under 13s against Lourdes in 1962 by 7-6.
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